Talk:Treaty of Taiping

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Patrick Barber — 28/11/2022 15:03
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Tabled by the Kodiak Foreign Office for consideration of the assembly
The Treaty of Peace between the Great Northern Kingdom of Ellenburg and the Most Serene Republic of Kodiak (The Treaty of Taiping)
Proposed by The Kodiak Foreign Office
Voting is presently set for 05 Dec 2022
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— 28/11/2022 15:04

Danzig and Pomerania / Menorca — 28/11/2022 20:11
Is this good or is this bad?
Patrick Barber — 28/11/2022 20:12
That is very much a question you have to answer. It ends the war and returns our territory - but also costs us a lot of money.
If we vote the treaty down, the war will continue.
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/11/2022 20:21
I am glad a treaty is on the table, the conflict had cost us a lot - too much in terms of debt, materials, and far too much in terms of lives lost. This treaty, as the Chancellor has stated (see Lobby) is an improved deal over an earlier deal that would have added far too great a burden to our national debt. It's time to put aside our weapons and work towards better relations with our neighbours, help our people rebuild, and use our reclaimed land for the betterment of our nation. I urge the assembly to vote for peace.
John Edwards [KWP] — 28/11/2022 22:05
I am in favour of this treaty. The past 3 years have taken quite a toll on our nation and this treaty is the best and fastest way back to some semblance of normalcy. It will cost us, but not as much as continuation of this war would have.
Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 28/11/2022 23:36
I am in favor of this treaty. The well-being of our citizens and the long term stability of our nation is far more valuable than 150 billion florin and some ores.
Patrick Barber — 30/11/2022 07:57
If there are no further comments, I will begin the vote in 24 hours. Though I would have thought a treaty of this importance would have attracted at least some official statements if nothing else.
Gustave Bernier (Generation.e) — 30/11/2022 08:05
perhaps you should mention the assembly members once again, there hasn't been a lot of reactions for this treaty.
Patrick Barber — 30/11/2022 08:07
I was thinking more of how we have 6 political parties that they might make an official statement - and I am pretty sure the leaders of those parties are aware of it.
Micheal Valois (Tanith) - NUP — 30/11/2022 08:56
My only concern is that TGN may at some point come back for more.
Patrick Barber — 30/11/2022 08:56
our wider allies have committed to guarantee the treaty and TGN has expressly renounced their claims to the land with payment
Patrick Barber — 30/11/2022 11:45
While the Chancellor has done a fantastic job, I will at least speak on behalf of the Kodiak Workers' Party as a whole to say we are especially in support of whatever efforts we can take to minimise risk while maximising safety. That we are able to achieve the return of our territory with the cost being merely cash and not blood is nothing short of miraculous. While historians will debate who won this war, it is our turn to make sure that we win the peace.
Gustave Bernier (Generation.e) — 01/12/2022 02:57
For many years, the population of our two nations will have suffered the economic consequences of the war between the Great North and the Kodiak Republic. While Generation.e deplores the inclusion of the potentially environmentally harmful bauxite mining and the excessive 150 billion dollar tribute to pay, we welcome the peace process undertaken by our two nations to alleviate the suffering of our people and to allow a healthy relationship between neighbors.
Despite my disagreement with certain clauses, I urge all Members of the Assembly to vote in favor of this treaty.
Micheal Valois (Tanith) - NUP — 01/12/2022 04:19
With all due respect Representative Barber, commitments and claims have not once in history worked in securing lasting peace, only temporary ceasefires.

However, if the Assembly believes we may yet buck the trend with this action, then I shall support it.
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 01/12/2022 05:19
On behalf of the NUP, I say that this treaty is excellent, and in more ways than one . We were able to, first and foremost, get back our own land without bloodshed and lost lives. Secondly, we were able to negotiate down an outrageous price to something less extreme.

However, I agree with my colleague Micheal Valois in that this treaty has not guarantee that we will live in everlasting peace. We also need to introduce legislation over the coming years that strengthens our armed forced and reinforces our vulnerabilities to ensure that, if there is a next time, we will be a great deal harder to push around.
Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 01/12/2022 05:28
I agree we must enact an extensive modernization and expansion of our armed forces in the near future. However, our immediate concern is the recovery of our economy and the wellbeing of our citizens.
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 01/12/2022 05:31
The well-being of our citizens in any which way is always our top priority; the military will always be a side project, until we are attacked again. That is why I am suggesting, for the well-being of all of our citizens, we focus more on the military in the coming years. The military does indeed directly contribute to our citizens’ well being, which is why it should become more of a focus point.
Patrick Barber — 01/12/2022 08:10
With that I will begin the voting on this treaty now

— 01/12/2022 08:11

Do you approve of this treaty?

🇦 Aye
🇧 Nay
🇨 Abstain

Final Result
🇦 ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░ [20 • 80%]
🇧 ░░░░░░░░░░ [1 • 4%]
🇨 ▓▓░░░░░░░░ [4 • 16%]
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Patrick Barber — 01/12/2022 08:11
@Assembly Member
The poll is how open for the approval of the Treaty of Taiping. You have 72 hours.
Patrick Barber — 03/12/2022 12:03
@Assembly Member Approximately 20 hours remain on this vote.
Patrick Barber — 04/12/2022 09:23
This vote has completed 20:1 with 4 abstentions. It will be archived after 24 hours

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