Talk:Skilled Workers Incentive Scheme, 644

Patrick Barber — 28/08/2022
@Assembly Member
For Consideration of the Assembly:
The Kodiak Republic is suffering from a crisis level shortage of Teachers. This proposal is aimed at addressing that shortage rapidly while simultaneously improving the Republic’s extremely low immigration levels by providing subsidised immigration costs of immigration for those who fulfil jobs that we are in dire shortage of. This will provide an influx of needed jobs without impacting on the jobs of working Kodiakers. Teaching in particular will help our own local workforce to train into needed job sectors faster.
https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/Skilled_Workers_Incentive_Scheme,_644
Proposed by John Edwards, KWP.
Voting is currently set for 18 September 2022
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
So with this proposal we improve our immigration with the help of job visas with jobs such as a teacher?
Patrick Barber — 28/08/2022
@John Edwards [KWP]
John Edwards [KWP] — 28/08/2022
precisely. An area not already covered by the existing workforce and difficult to train the positions localy without already being in place. This way we get skilled workers, already trained, to train more of the local populace in needed jobs.
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
I don't really see an arguement about this bill, it improves our immigration and employement which we both need. I support the bill
Just one more question, are the job visas free or have a cost, how do you get them?
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
I see this as an excellent step towards rebuilding Kodiak by shoring up much needed professions that we currently lack, while we work towards reforming our education systems for the future.
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
This does look vary promising
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
wouldnt that require more spending for border enforcement
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
The budget is of 750 million (per quarter)
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
No this would not change border enforcement, if anything this provides more legal avenues for immigration.
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
good point
but that would also require more spending to fix and change the current system
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
The cost is of 750m per quarter. For 5 years
It is the cost to pay to promote the Kodiak Republic for talents who are willing to travel abroad
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
In other words 3bil Florins per year, which does seem appropriate.
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
im willing to support that
Freelian — 28/08/2022
I will also be willing to support that
but.....
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
I mean this supports our education system and alows more immigration with out a possible threat to the economy
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
To be honest it could increase the economy more then worsen it
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
That’s what I mean
Freelian — 28/08/2022
we need to be aware that we are at war, if I am correct. We need to have a thorough check for aspiring workers who wants to work here in Kodiak.
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
it could worsen it because we would have to pay the teachers a salary
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
we didnt even think of that
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Paying salary doesnt worsen the economy
Freelian — 28/08/2022
Nevertheless, I agree to the bill
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
The immigrant working will pay tax
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
it doesnt worsen it but it does chip away at our budget slowly
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Again, the immigrant will pay tax
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
We would have to pay someone the salary regardless. Right now we have a massive shortage of workers. Meaning the we are overworking the population for little gain
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
It doesnt chip anything, it adds more
Nontheless, we need workers, not cash
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
loosing money adds more money?
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
This bill is in keeping with the policies set forth in my campaign mandate and has my full support as Chancellor.
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Look, friend, immigrant gets a citizenship, we pay him, he pays tax
We gain more cash than we lose
With taxes
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
Spending money gains you a person that educates a generation of new workers
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
The only potential issue I see with the skilled visa scheme would be that if for some reason the number of migrants is too important it would mean that we can see a higher unemployment rate for citizens of the Kodiak Republic
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
no we loose, slightly less but still
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
No we dont lol
Freelian — 28/08/2022
investment
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Exactly
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
taxes are deducted from salaries
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Friend we dont only have income tax
A wise investment since we need workers, and we improve our education too
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
yea but the tax on foods and services is not much
dont get me wrong i agree with what u gus are saying
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Another thing is we shouldnt let any person be a teacher, we need wiser and more eligable personnell
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
guys*
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
Here are the income from taxes in the Kodiak Republic (year 642)
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Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
To simplify this discussion. I have a budget that pays 20 people to do a job that will likely add 25 people to do the same job in the future.

However currently I only have 8 people doing that job for the same number of underlings. We have the money to pay the new teachers
Freelian — 28/08/2022
yes, we have to only give these visas to QUALIFIED professionals
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
I don’t really think it will get to that point
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Thats for sure, I dont want a random person teach children
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
Will note there'll be an updated report at a later date when practical to produce (RE: taxes). There has also been recent tax reform to increase Government income, which will aid in paying for these initiatives.
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
but what makes a proffesional qualified? thats were the line gets blurry
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
I thought that was a given
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
I don't either.
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Had to be sure
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
That falls on the Ministers to outline the plan
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
ok
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
Keep in mind that teachers aren't the only professionals that this scheme is set to attract
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Freelian — 28/08/2022
well, they basically do their best in their jobs, that's like bare minimum qualification, aside from age, experience, ofc
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
The Government passes the laws but the Ministers are responsible for the Public Service to make it happen
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
I knew that, but we need teachers the most so I was mostly talking about them, thanks nontheless
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
Under what ministry does this proposal fall under ? Immigration? Finance? Education?
Joshua Lopez - Slatium — 28/08/2022
Probably immigration the most
Then finance
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
immigration and education
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
The act highlights the Ministry of Immigration ;)
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
when it comes to the teachers discussion
jonn stevens (PPK) — 28/08/2022
This does bring up the question of if the immigrants would have to get Kodiak teaching degrees
Gustave Bernier [KWP] — 28/08/2022
Thanks for the information.
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 28/08/2022
Every Ministry would be responsible for its specific qualification exams. Immigration would handle the process of the Visas.
Leon Aguilar — 28/08/2022
fair
Patrick Barber — 28/08/2022
The total report is far from complete and is not ready for release, but the income table has been completed
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Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 28/08/2022
Oh excellent, thank you!
Patrick Barber — 28/08/2022
Immigration laws fall under the Ministry of Defence and Immigration - that would also include what qualifications are considered acceptable. Though one would reasonably expect the public service would collaborate between ministries to know what qualifications were best to codify.
John Edwards [KWP] — 28/08/2022
To answer a few points that have been raised,

1) The scheme is designed to attract immigration, ie new permanent citizens, what they pay in taxes and spend in the economy will more than make up for any salarys paid.

2) The scheme targets those areas not already being serviced enough by the available local workers so local job losses are not an issue. Furthermore, when the scheme is reviewed every 5 years, the bill allowed for the list to be adjusted according to job needs. If, for example, we get plenty of teachers and don't need more, we can take them off the list so as not to jeopardise local workers.

3) This bill was originally put to the presidents office before the current crisis, the budget allocated for it could account for increased checks but I think my next point will cover this issue.

4) Qualification is required to be eligible for the scheme. The point was to get already skilled workers. While the option to reskill is a possibility, I think a more efficient and cheaper solution will simply be to accept qualifications from countries where those skills are recognised by Kodiak. (Without an exhaustive list of our foreign relations I couldn't specify which nations qualify) the example I drew on here was healthcare where nurses coming to Australia from the UK do not need to retrain but some poorer nations with less developed education systems do. I would leave it up to defence/immigration on whether to accept applications from TGN.
There is not currently a section outlining recognised qualification sources. I shall make an adjustment accordingly.
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 29/08/2022
I fully agree with this bill. However, one of my fellow assembly members, @Freelian, brought up an interesting point. We are at a state of war with tensions rising with a powerful neighbor. How are we to ensure that terrorists and intelligence operatives do not take advantage of this new avenue to immigrate to Kodiak?
Klaus Mikaelson — 29/08/2022
Fear should not stop the Kodiak people from doing what is right, and what is needed.
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 29/08/2022
That’s not what I mean. I am simply asking if there are any safeguards in place to ensure that immigrants using this new method to immigrate are a threat to National security.
Klaus Mikaelson — 29/08/2022
I imagine all people applying for visas are checked by government officials fairly well
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 29/08/2022
I assumed so, but I was just asking if there are any loopholes with this specific edition to our immigration policy.
John Edwards [KWP] — 29/08/2022
While it is a concern, I have added the following to account for approved qualifications, approved nations and background checks.

Article 3 – Qualifications and Background checks

3.1 - All applicants must possess qualifications from nations with training systems that have been approved by the assessment panel unless section 3.1.1 is applicable.

3.1.1 - Applicants that possess qualifications from nations that do NOT have training systems that are deemed adequate by the assessment panel shall be required to undergo retraining to Kodiak standards at their own expense.

3.1.2 - Retraining courses to be made available through tertiary education facilities.

3.1.3 - The assessment panel will have the capacity to add addendums to the approved nations list based on political factors, under the advice of the Department of Defence & Immigration.

3.2 - Applicants must undergo background checks approved by the Department of Defence & Immigration.
Símôn Kalimeno (NUP) — 29/08/2022
Thank you for making this addition! This bill has my full and unwavering support.
Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 03/09/2022
I motion to vote early, as there seems to be no more discussions regarding this act.
Patrick Barber — 03/09/2022
Noted if there are no objections voting shall begin in 36 hours
Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 03/09/2022
I second the motion
Patrick Barber — 04/09/2022
With there being no objections, the vote shall begin presently
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Patrick Barber — 04/09/2022
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The vote on the Skilled Workers Incentive Scheme shall run for 72 hours. The text of the bill may be seen in the pinned comment.
Thank you, honourable members for your consideration.