Talk:Minor Narcotics Amendment (642)

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Welcome to #📜-kodiak_national_rights_act! This is the start of the #📜-kodiak_national_rights_act channel. A resolution to define the rights of the people of Kodiak through a multitude of issues. Written by Yungly Shaon, MGA, CACSPO June 9, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 @Assembly Member A resolution to discuss regarding multiple national rights of citizens of Kodiak. Written by @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co, MGA, CACSPO https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/Kodiak_National_Rights_Act_(642) The Kodiak Republic Wiki Kodiak National Rights Act (642) A resolution to define the rights of the people of Kodiak through a multitude of issues. 1.1 - Legalization of the sale, manufacture, and consumption of class E narcotics to people 18 and above. 1.2 - The following will be labeled as class E narcotics. 1.2.1 - Marijuana 1.2.2 - Nicotine 2.1 - Full legalization of same-sex marriage. 2.2 - Allow a...

[3:38 PM] I have set the voting date to start on 6/24/22. This can be changed upon request. Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/09/2022 Why should we allow the use of pure nicotine? Its already in ciggaretes, id find it useless to allow (edited)

[4:06 PM] Plus nicotine will make people addicted do it, causing many bad effects [4:06 PM] Same with marijuana

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 I would agree with the first point about maybe setting a limiter on the amount of nicotine. Too much can be fatal. I would disagree on the marijuana point. There is an argument to be made that it is safer for consumption than tobacco or alcohol New Asden — 06/09/2022 But… is it worth legalizing just for the sake of it? Yes, it is less dangerous than cigarette and other drugs, but it is still addictive. Maybe we need to set a legislation on what is considered a legal level of addictive substances Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 It’s also a substance that could be easily regulated and taxed progressively [7:43 PM] It may be one of the most used substances already, known to treat anxiety and real medical issues unlike alcohol and tobacco @Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) I would agree with the first point about maybe setting a limiter on the amount of nicotine. Too much can be fatal. I would disagree on the marijuana point. There is an argument to be made that it is safer for consumption than tobacco or alcohol John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 I would disagree with that argument. The mental health impact of marijuana is one that is overlooked. It is far more dangerous than nicotine or alcohol. [9:03 PM] But I absolutely agree with your point on nicotine. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 Mental health only for those that abuse it much like alcohol and tobacco. Thus why it should be regulated to prevent and provide resources to those that need it. [9:07 PM] Alcohol has never been prescribed to prevent chronic pain [9:07 PM] Neither has tobacco [9:10 PM] The alternative is a criminal substance that is illegally sold and can only increase unsafe consumption @Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) Alcohol has never been prescribed to prevent chronic pain New Asden — 06/09/2022 Well… in the US during the prohibition alcohol was a prescribed substance for the use of pain, but primarily for colds. But that lead to illegal bootlegging (edited) John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 Not medically. We usually self medicate it despite advice to the contrary. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 It has been used medically (edited) [9:11 PM] And prescribed medically in the US [9:13 PM] I don’t even use it personally, but I have seen it used to great success personally John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 I can support medical use. I have a number of patients on it at the moment for their Parkinsons (personally im of the opinion it hasn'tdone diddly squat for any of them but thats a small sample size). However Canniboid oil used for medical purposes is very different to recreational use. I could support controlled access for medical purpose but I cannot support recreational use. Once again I draw on my background in healthcare where I have seen too many young lives destroyed as they have started have schizophrenic episodes and I've had to coax them off the ceiling. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 I would agree, it can certainly lead to many issues, especially for the younger generation of individuals whose brains aren’t fully developed. However, if we go off lives destroyed by marijuana comparatively to alcohol, the latter is far greater and way more dangerous. Drinking alcohol has never produced medical benefits only drunken experiences which can lead to death. The difference is one is socially acceptable and regulated while the other is not. (edited) [9:22 PM] Alcohol has destroyed far more lives and I can speak to that personally. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 I would add, that although I do not have a personal medical background (besides basic buddy care and CPR/AED training) my family all works in healthcare as nurses, EMTs, and MDs and this discussion resonates the same opinion around my household (edited) John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 I don't necessarily disagree however the argument could be made that alcohol has destroyed more lives simply because it is more readily available. Whilst I do see alcohol induced dementia fairly frequently, it is usually in patients with a long history of alcohol abuse. I suspect (but admittedly have no evidennce for) that if marijuana was available to the same extent that we would see a greater impact. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 See I would agree in general. But a case can be made that since the criminalization of marijuana it is harder to diagnose issues pertaining to its use. I would propose that if this resolution has any chance of passing I would also like additional research done to understand the consequences of its use much like alcohol has had (edited) John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 I would agree with that. I can't help but feel that point 1 should be a separate bill as the debate around it is on a different basis to points 2 & 3, which I am wholly in support of. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/09/2022 Yes that’s something I addressed in 🎇-ga_president I believe that these are all separate issues that putting it all in one resolution can only lead to a failure in passing this one (edited) [9:45 PM] OOC: although this is more close to reality in how bills are passed John Edwards [KWP] — 06/09/2022 A thought I just had from the slightly more heartless side of my brain, would the recreational release of marijuana help to ease the number of riots in our nation? June 10, 2022 JChittyEutheriia — 06/10/2022 If it's illegal it's a black market item. Doesn't stop the sale, doesn't stop the use. It fills our prisons as a tax burden for a victimless crime. (edited) John Edwards [KWP] — 06/10/2022 That's true but it does drastically reduce its use. Patrick Barber — 06/10/2022 I would like to motion that we cleave article 1 as a separate resolution, specifically because it should be treated as an amendment to the Controlled Substances Act (Inter) https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/The_Controlled_Substances_Act_(Inter%29 (edited) Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 06/10/2022 What if we just include the amendment to the existing law within the text of this bill? And then also add it to the main law should this be passed. [9:01 PM] I think the precedent is there from the Police Funding bill back in 631 which amended other existing laws within it Patrick Barber — 06/10/2022 sure, the precedent exists to do that; I made the motion because I feel they are different debates (edited) Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 06/10/2022 I would agree they are different. But all three articles are amending different existing policies. Patrick Barber — 06/10/2022 Ok. I still motion Article 1 be cleaved into a separate resolution. Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/10/2022 If there is no opposition I will create a separate resolution for Article 1 from the rest of the resolution Patrick Barber — 06/10/2022 @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co ? June 11, 2022 Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/11/2022 sorry for the late response, but separating Article one from the rest of the bill would be good Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/13/2022 @Assembly Member An amendment to the Controlled Substances Act (Inter) to categorize certain drugs into a separate class. Written and proposed by @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/Minor_Narcotics_Amendment_(642) (edited)

The Kodiak Republic Wiki Minor Narcotics Amendment (642) An amendment to the Controlled Substances Act (Inter) to categorize certain drugs into a separate class. The Controlled Substances Act (Inter); This resolution aims to amend the Controlled Substances Act by adding an additional article under the Act which will define and include Minor Narcotics (Schedule E). 1.1 - Legalization of the sale, manuf...

Akecheta — 06/13/2022 I think that Minor Narcotics and Narcotics should both be in the same class. They are both Narcotics. Why separate them into different classes? [3:14 PM] Though for the "bigger" Narcotics, it should have more "regulations" on them than Minor Narcotics. Either that, or have the "regulations" more "severe". (edited)

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/13/2022 The purpose is not all narcotics are the same. Nicotine is considered a narcotic and so is methamphetamines. It would be considered 'minor' because marijuana and nicotine could be considered safer for use. (edited) [3:17 PM] It would be classified as a Schedule E (Class E) for the purposes of this resolution [3:19 PM] Although technically speaking the medical terminology for narcotic is for opioid based substitutes. So really the word narcotic is used incorrectly, it should actually be defined as "Drug/Substance" (edited)

Akecheta — 06/13/2022 this is why I don't speak on topics, i just observe because I have no clue what I am talking about..........

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/13/2022 All input is valuable! @Akecheta don't be afraid to speak on it. I was just giving a response based on what the resolution covers

New Asden — 06/13/2022 I do not approve the bill. Classifying tobacco with meth? [3:32 PM] And would this bill open and legalize black markets selling opioids?

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/13/2022 You may want to read it. The purpose was to separate nicotine and marijuana into a different class of drug. They are currently not listed in the Controlled Substances Act under any category @New Asden

New Asden — 06/13/2022 Ah okay. I’ll read it thoroughly

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 The bill would actually reduce black markets, if they're legal we can regulate them (edited) [3:36 PM] plus if they're legal they can be sold to help the economy

New Asden — 06/13/2022 So just tobacco and marijuana

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 yes

New Asden — 06/13/2022 Ah okay okay. Still not a complete yes but not a hard no

New Asden — 06/13/2022 There needs to be a section to make sure minors can’t get these substances @Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) All input is valuable! @Akecheta don't be afraid to speak on it. I was just giving a response based on what the resolution covers

Akecheta — 06/13/2022 Ok @New Asden There needs to be a section to make sure minors can’t get these substances

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 "1.1 - Legalization of the sale, manufacture, and consumption of Schedule E narcotics to people 18 and above." [3:54 PM] They can't legally @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co The bill would actually reduce black markets, if they're legal we can regulate them (edited)

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 And have bigger drug usage, higher death rates, bad look on us and even dumber people

New Asden — 06/13/2022 There needs to be a law making sure they don’t

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 It will cost us @Joshua Lopez (Slatium) And have bigger drug usage, higher death rates, bad look on us and even dumber people

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 how?

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 Glad you asked [3:55 PM] Let me tell you [3:56 PM] 1 in 10 people who use marijuana get addicted [3:56 PM] It can cause brain health issues [3:56 PM] Such as lower iq [3:57 PM] Which even after quiting marijuana don't come back [3:58 PM] Marijuana can cause mental health issues such as depression, anxiety and even suicide [3:58 PM] I can go on and on and on [3:59 PM] This is talking about marijuana [3:59 PM] Nicotine, in example I'll allow (edited)

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 Most of what you're describing happens when the user is underage and their brain is still developing, hence why we should restrict it to people 18 and older

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 Not true, however its worse for underage people [4:01 PM] 1-6 chance of addiction for underage people

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 and if you're going to try to tear down the marijuana part of the amendment why allow nicotine? sounds like your just against marijuana

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 I am just against marijuana [4:02 PM] Nicotine is already in ciggaretes [4:02 PM] Why stop it? [4:02 PM] If you think drugs will increase the rights of our people, then so be it [4:02 PM] Allow nicotine, easy [4:03 PM] Sounds like im a chain smoker (edited)

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/13/2022 I have already put my thoughts on this in the other discussion, but I fail to see how a regulated industry is worse than a deregulated one that is prolific in every major nation @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co Most of what you're describing happens when the user is underage and their brain is still developing, hence why we should restrict it to people 18 and older

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 And your restrictions won't stop people selling it to underage people

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 no, the people of Kodiak deserve to have access to substances that don't do extreme damage

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/13/2022 Marijuana does extreme damage to my opinion [4:05 PM] So does nicotine [4:05 PM] But its regulated enough @Joshua Lopez (Slatium) And your restrictions won't stop people selling it to underage people

Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022 and having it illegal will stop it?