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Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/13/2022
and having it illegal will stop it?
June 17, 2022
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Less addictive is still addictive
JOE — 06/17/2022
That's true but alcohol is more addictive and thats perfectly legal (edited)
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
I mean that stuff is deep set in tradition and if we criminalize that people would probably riot
[12:37 AM]
So we not only get a narcotics crisis, we also get a safety crisis, yay
JOE — 06/17/2022
But so is marijuana it has been used throughout history in traditional events and other things of the sort
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Pretty sure greek oracles or something inhaled sulfur or something for divine omens, are we doing that now
[12:39 AM]
Marijuana is less common in other cultures anyway, but alcohol is global maybe
JOE — 06/17/2022
Then your saying consume a beverage that can make you go nuts with one word if your drink too Mutch so your sulfer statement is irrelvent cause your comparing being so high your comparing seeing and hearing things to beating people (edited)
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
This should be a separate discussion lol, the amendment only mentions marijuana and nicotine I think
JOE — 06/17/2022
Yea
[12:47 AM]
I see why say get rid of nicotine it has no real use but inhaling cancer but marijuana has many heath benefits with little dangerous side effects
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Criminalizing nicotine could cause so many social repercussions
[12:53 AM]
Unless we fund like a ton of rehabilitation programs maybe
[12:53 AM]
And awareness campaigns
[12:53 AM]
That actually tell people why drugs are bad instead of going "drug bad here's how to obtain them"
JOE — 06/17/2022
It's better then slowly Killing people
[12:53 AM]
So yes that's the best way
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
But do we have the money and resources for those programs and centres and campaigns
[12:56 AM]
Can't employ people if we have no money, can't employ randos to go "drug bad kiddies" either
JOE — 06/17/2022
That is true well just have to find a way cause even if we leave it for the next few years or decades problems could happen like a entire next generation could already have cancer from second hand smoke
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Should I draft a bill on drug rehabilitation lol
JOE — 06/17/2022
Go for it
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
I'm more novelist than legal writer but I'll try my best
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@Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)
These are totally separate. I will refer to my previous statements regarding illegal drug deaths/risks. However I will add, looking through the Kodiak Law Code, even if this does not pass there is no current criminalization of either of these substances.
John Edwards [KWP] — 06/17/2022
You are absolutely correct. I had not noticed that it was missing from the Schedule A drugs. We do not in fact have any policy on marijuana or nicotine. I'm not sure what that means, simulation wise.
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/17/2022
I would just like to point out that Portland, Oregon recently conducted a grand experiment where they legalized all drugs and actually saw relative improvement in the city. Emergency services, even including ambulances, were used less since individuals did not have to turn to more dangerous alternatives to get drugs when they were illegal. One notable thing was that violent crime rate decreased dramatically. Just some food for thought.
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Oh you reminded me
[7:30 PM]
Legalizing drugs would also make drug users more likely to open up about what drug they took when receiving medical services
[7:31 PM]
Because if drugs are illegal they're gonna be afraid that the medics would report them to the police and stay quiet
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/17/2022
Exactly
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/17/2022
Then they proceed to die due to allergies or whatever
[7:31 PM]
But I'm still on the side of only medicinal uses so
June 18, 2022
12131050849 — 06/18/2022
drugs other bad things should not be manufactured
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/18/2022
Certain drugs can be used for medicinal purposes
[4:14 AM]
Not to mention banning drugs outright without any sort of treatment program is just going to make black markets boom
@Jocelyn [AND]
Legalizing drugs would also make drug users more likely to open up about what drug they took when receiving medical services
John Edwards [KWP] — 06/18/2022
That speaks more to decriminalisation than legalisation necessarily.
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/18/2022
The drugs involved in this amendment aren't criminalized right now I think
John Edwards [KWP] — 06/18/2022
Correct. But those opposed to legalisation may be more receptive to decriminalisation instead.
Jocelyn [AND] — 06/18/2022
Why am I advocating for a thing I'm not even supporting lol
[4:35 AM]
Medicinal good other bad
[4:35 AM]
Searls — 06/18/2022
June 20, 2022
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/20/2022
Members of the Assembly, please see my proposed changes to the Minor Narcotics Amendment.
I hope that these changes will address some issues with the amendment as is, and instead allow for a more thorough discussion.
Minor_Narcotics_Amendment.docx
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[5:52 PM]
@Yungly, CEO of Chest and co please let me know if you wish for the changes to be added to the current resolution and I will update it accordingly.
@Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)
Members of the Assembly, please see my proposed changes to the Minor Narcotics Amendment. I hope that these changes will address some issues with the amendment as is, and instead allow for a more thorough discussion.
Yungly, CEO of Chest and co — 06/20/2022
These all look good
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Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)
@Assembly Member An amendment to the Controlled Substances Act (Inter) to categorize certain drugs into a separate class. Written and proposed by @Yungly, CEO of Chest and co https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/Minor_Narcotics_Amendment_(642) (edited)
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/20/2022
@Assembly Member the Minor Narcotics Amendment has been modified. If you are not caught up with this, please review before the 24th of June when voting will begin.
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Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/20/2022
I should note, Cannaboids and THC have the exact same chemical structure, the difference is the way the atoms are arranged.
June 22, 2022
yugoslwv — 06/22/2022
Smoking industries must be shut
Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/22/2022
I feel smokes should be allowed, while other narcotics should be used in medical uses as disscused before
yugoslwv — 06/22/2022
Active and passive smokers
[10:40 AM]
It's harming others who are nearby
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Like smoking
[10:40 AM]
?
yugoslwv — 06/22/2022
The active smoker breathes in the mainstream smoke (MSS) during a puff, whereas the passive smoker inhales not only the smoke generated by the lit cigarette between two puffs (SSS) but also the smoke exhaled by active smokers (EXS).
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
I actually banned smoking.
[10:41 AM]
Yeah.
yugoslwv — 06/22/2022
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
Passive smoking
Passive smoking is the inhalation of tobacco smoke, called secondhand smoke (SHS), or environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), by persons other than the intended "active" smoker. It occurs when tobacco smoke enters an environment, causing its inhalation by people within that environment. Exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke causes disease, disability,...
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
That is true.
[10:43 AM]
Smoking has negative health effects, because smoke inhalation inherently poses challenges to various physiologic processes such as respiration. Smoking tobacco is among the leading causes of many diseases such as lung cancer, heart attack, COPD, erectile dysfunction, and birth defects.
[10:43 AM]
One reason i banned it.
[10:44 AM]
But i think i should unban it cause i did it in private too.
yugoslwv — 06/22/2022
Mixes in the air
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Yeah so i banned it.
[10:44 AM]
Cause i am not letting my citizens die of lung cancer , heart attack, COPD etc.
Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/22/2022
I have smokes allowed in my country and cancer rates are quite low
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Hmm.
[11:12 AM]
My murder has gotten low cause i removed guns from citizens.
[11:12 AM]
only police and military.
Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/22/2022
I hate smokes, yeah, but people are addicted to it, removing it would cause trouble, and people will illegally sell it (edited)
[11:13 AM]
It causes a lot of negative effects, but removing it wouldnt help much
[11:13 AM]
We should try to stop future smokers in even starting smoking
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
Why isn't smoking banned when it's clearly more dangerous to a person's long term health, but weed has restrictions on it, even though it is mostly harmless? The only reasoning for this is that weed is a drug. (edited)
[12:52 PM]
It just doesn't make much sense
@Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP)
Why isn't smoking banned when it's clearly more dangerous to a person's long term health, but weed has restrictions on it, even though it is mostly harmless? The only reasoning for this is that weed is a drug. (edited)
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/22/2022
I’m 100% in agreement. I have been arguing this the entire time of this resolution. The updated resolution was just to compromise with the others
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@Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP)
Why isn't smoking banned when it's clearly more dangerous to a person's long term health, but weed has restrictions on it, even though it is mostly harmless? The only reasoning for this is that weed is a drug. (edited)
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Agreed.
[2:03 PM]
I banned smoking even in private.
@Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP)
Why isn't smoking banned when it's clearly more dangerous to a person's long term health, but weed has restrictions on it, even though it is mostly harmless? The only reasoning for this is that weed is a drug. (edited)
Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/22/2022
Tehnically smokes are a drug too
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
I guess so.
[3:29 PM]
It should be a higher class drug than weed tho
Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 06/22/2022
Smokes can kill you easier for sure, but weed has its health issues no one wants too
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
8.7 million people die each year due to tobacco, while a maximum of 30,000 people die from weed each year. Nobody has ever died from a weed overdose, so those 30,000 come from cannabis related accidents. It's almost like alcohol, which can make you more accident prone. The difference is, you can die from alcohol poisoning.
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
I have cannabis legal in my nation.
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
I actually banned it by accident
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Dang.
[3:46 PM]
I feel bad for you.
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
I thought the decision I was making was gonna do something else
[3:46 PM]
I just can't wait for the decision to ban smoking
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Yeah.
[3:46 PM]
I went through that.
[3:47 PM]
I banned smoking so people don't die.
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
Yeah lol
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
and i don't think all my citizens liked that.
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
I have no cancer deaths anymore
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
Me either
[3:47 PM]
still got heart diesses
Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 06/22/2022
Lets move to 🎎-ns-general
Erin Levî III of Iraeli — 06/22/2022
i think cause i used a drug.
June 24, 2022
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Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 06/24/2022
@Assembly Member Voting on the proposed resolution will end in 3 days. New discussion on the resolution is now prohibited!
June 26, 2022
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — Yesterday at 9:07 PM
@Assembly Member the vote for this resolution ends in 15 hours.
June 27, 2022
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — Today at 1:09 PM
@Assembly Member The proposed resolution has passed. I will be adding this to the Kodiak Law Code and archiving the channel in 24 hours.
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