Talk:Investigation Into Non-Participatory Civilian Deaths During Astroberg Uprising (665)

Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/03/2024 8:41 PM

Tabled by John Edwards, MGA, as an independent resolution. Events that result in civilian deaths by police officers are investigated by independent panel to establish if police officers acted in an appropriate manner and provide recommendations on avoidance of future occurrences. https://kodiak.wiki/wiki/Investigation_Into_Non-Participatory_Civilian_Deaths_During_Astroberg_Uprising_(665) Voting is set for 10 March. The Kodiak Republic Wiki Investigation Into Non-Participatory Civilian Deaths During Astrobe... Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/03/2024 8:41 PM

@Assembly Member, debate for this resolution is now open. Braughn F. G. Kryos

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Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 03/03/2024 9:24 PM This is nothing more than a witch hunt by politicians who don't like that they lost the vote on the police authorisation bill. Its clear from the outset that there are no significant errors in the force used or the situation. Its just a broad brush to slander our police already under strain of holding back domestic terror in the face of an armed insurrection. I would even go so far as to say that the KWP are using the deaths of innocent bystanders as a political pawn to carve our their remonstrations against that particular bill Jack Williams (DPPK) — 03/03/2024 10:22 PM I completely believe this is unnecessary to do. Complete targeting of the police force who lawfully utilized weaponry to put down an uprising in AstroBerg. Completely believe this needs to be voted down Bernard Glocke [I] — 03/03/2024 11:24 PM I do believe it is within the right of the Assembly to question the Police Chief, call the witnesses and the Minister of Law to gather the facts of this incident. Depending on which news you read the story is certainly up for debate if they were unarmed or armed in the first place. I do think there is a larger question at play as well in terms of Government action during crisis. What is our prescribed hand-over of authority between National Police and other government agencies. Indeed according to one version of events, the Police had social media to inform them of possible happenings, but the Kodiak Intelligence system was not concluding the same situation? John Edwards [KWP] — 03/04/2024 1:28 AM It is not a witch hunt nor is it unnecessary. Any police incident that results in civilian deaths must be investigated. To NOT do so is grossly irresponsible. The bill clearly states that the investigative panel is to be free of political bias. John Edwards [KWP] — 03/04/2024 1:35 AM No one is debating the need to respond to the threat. But the Crime Reduction Act authorised an armed response unit AND the deployment of rubber bullets. If the Investigation finds that the response was warranted, then we will be the first to congratulate them. Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers Jr — 03/04/2024 4:48 AM I'd like to ask Mr Edwards how the panel would be kept free of any political bias? Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/04/2024 5:52 PM

This is in no way a witch hunt, but a proper investigation into the deaths of civilians during police action. If the government and the police wish not to be scrutinized, enough so to the point that they will shut down any such investigation, then that points to a serious indication of wrongdoing. If everything was done right, if nothing was untoward, then the government, the police, and those who took part in the killing of innocent bystanders should have nothing to fear and no reason to push off an investigation. If, however, the actions of the police in this case were not as watertight as some in the government would have us believe, than there is ample reason to investigate the causes, the rationale, and those responsible in order to meet out appropriate justice. It is the solemn duty of our Assembly to keep the executive branch of our government, which includes the police, rigorously in check. If the police units acted without the proper authorization, if they acted without first taking all the necessary steps to defuse the situation, if the appropriate non-lethal options were not first considered and exhausted, then it is our duty to find out why and to ensure that these tragedies are not repeated. John Edwards [KWP] — 03/04/2024 7:50 PM Politicians have no say in who makes up the panel. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 03/06/2024 3:20 PM Who would be making up the panel John Edwards [KWP] — 03/07/2024 11:55 AM Ideally an assortment of experts, Police, Psychology, Legal, Civil Liberties, etc. I don't have a comprehensive list but welcome any suggestions. If political bias is a concern then selection of the panel would fall to civil service? Jack Williams (DPPK) — 03/07/2024 12:13 PM I’d assume so. I just want to make sure that there will be a panel that will be comprehensive and unbiased in their investigation of this is passed Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/10/2024 8:05 AM

Is there any more debate to be had on this bill before it heads to vote? Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers Jr — 03/10/2024 8:11 AM I motion to vote. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/10/2024 8:12 AM

Any seconds? Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 03/10/2024 8:54 AM I motion to vote as well Newtt Osborne [D.C.P] — 03/10/2024 9:00 AM May i ask something about Article 1 in section 1.1? Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/10/2024 9:00 AM

You may. Newtt Osborne [D.C.P] — 03/10/2024 9:08 AM In Section 1.1 its mentioned The panel shall consist of individual assessors from a range of backgrounds with experience in investigation, including but not limited to police, psychology, etc. The panel shall be appointed without bias or influence of political affiliation, but Despite efforts to avoid political affiliation, the selection process and decision-making within the panel could still be susceptible to political pressure or manipulation. What is a good action so that the Panel remains protected from political influence?, Even though they are experienced What if they were being bribed by an irresponsible Politicans Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 03/10/2024 9:15 AM

I think the way that it can be best achieved is through the current verbiage. Bribery is illegal, Mr Osborne, so any politician engaging in it would face the consequences thereof. Newtt Osborne [D.C.P] — 03/10/2024 9:18 AM Noted, Thank you for the explanation Mr. Braughn EasyPoll BOT

— 03/12/2024 7:59 AM

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— 03/12/2024 8:00 AM

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With 10 ayes, 6 nays, and 1 abstain, the Investigation Into Non-Participatory Civilian Deaths During Astroberg Uprising (665) is passed by the General Assembly. This debate will be archived shortly.