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Asden Vote

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— 01/12/2021

>> asden Poll Question What consequence should befall New Asden? Roles Assembly Member Anonymous True Deadline 03-Dec-2021 22:00 GMT ​ You can vote for multiple options:

regional_indicator_a: His public apology and embarrassment is enough. - 9 Votes

regional_indicator_b: He should have his ministry revoked. - 6 Votes

regional_indicator_c: He should be banned for at least 3 days. - 0 Votes

regional_indicator_d: He should be banned permanently. - 0 Votes

Image React with ❔ to get info. It is not a vote option. Ulrykk von Guelderlaand — 01/12/2021 Asden has been caught in violation of the Code of Conduct Act 629 [1] by griefing members from a community space (The NS RMB) with multiple fake accounts, as well as setting up a puppet region from which to 'hate' Kodiak (https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_kodiak_autocracy). While participating in the moderation response to these 'sock puppet' accounts, Asden also encouraged the admin to continue an investigation into another innocent member regarding the griefing. The admin team believe that Asden has been a value-adding member of the community, and his foray into fake accounts likely does not overshadow the work he has been doing up to this point. It is the discretion of the head admin (me) to vet punishment for community and conduct violations. I provide for the house in my role as Admin a vote to help guide what the community would prefer the moderation response against New Asden should be. His public apology is thus: Hello. As you already know, I was the troll who made three accounts (Corwin and both soxanys). From the bottom of my heart, I am truly sorry for this. Relationships don’t have any foundation without trust, and as of now, we do not have any trust. I don’t know why I did it. Although for me it seemed fun and entertaining at the moment, it was not funny nor entertaining for me or any of y’all. Any action has a consequence, and I hope you know I am facing them. I lead a couple people on, and that was wrong. I fell embarrassed, ashamed, and I don’t even feel like I should remain in the kodiak. But our great leaders have given me a second chance to prove that I am a great,mature young man who wants to take part in the hive ember for the better of our region. I ask that you forgive me, and let’s move on from this together as one. Thank you for your time and good morning to you all.

Ulrykk von Guelderlaand — 01/12/2021 Ping @Assembly Member because I forgot to earlier today Ulrykk von Guelderlaand — 01/12/2021 you'll need to click the icon below the voting box or your vote will not be counted. If you are unsure if it has been counted, you can click the ? icon and it will tell you you need to use the vote box. please wait 10 seconds for your count to register with the server Ulrykk von Guelderlaand — Today at 09:32 The poll has closed and I thank the members of our community for your input. I'm sure we've seen over the last handful of days that Asden has gone to great lengths to be more prosocial. I want to at least partially admonish him and note that participation in our community is not a zero-sum game, that anti-social behaviour is not magically reversed by pro-social behaviour. I reflect, as an administrator, that I have at least some concern that there isn't really an accurate consequence to fit the behaviour here. That full forgiveness isn't fair to the community, and that some sort of extended punishment would be callous. I am inclined to believe that this mistake is the result of youthful immaturity, and that the threat of Asden revisiting this behaviour is low. I, and many of the members here, have forgiven Asden for his inflaming behaviour. I like Asden, but I want to make it very clear as a protector of this community: if there is any evidence Asden is operating further sock-puppet accounts in secret (even if they are kind or helpful), I will not hesitate to banish him permanently. Kodiak is raised onto four philosophical pillars; equality, democracy, community, and integrity. Flaming, greifing, and lying show a lack of integrity and endanger our community, and sock-puppetry endangers our democracy. I have faith that Asden will not make this mistake again and that he will be a valuable member of our community moving forward. New Asden — Today at 09:42 I’d like to thank everyone for letting me stay in the region and the discord. I acknowledge that I have made some very immature and distressing actions that were to hurt the kodiak. I kindly thank every member of the assembly for unanimously voting not to banish me. Though our past actions do not determine our future, we cannot forget the past. As a a Kodiaker (or yeeklak, I think that’s what you call it) I hereby swear to protect equality, democracy, community, and the integrity of all those associated with us. I will never put forth this behavior so long as I live. Thank your it your time and good evening to you all Ulrykk von Guelderlaand — Today at 10:24 If there are any further comments that members wish to make please make them in the next hour as I will be archiving the vote on the wiki and deleting the channel once I arrive home. Grand Duchy of Lovendara — Today at 12:11 Just wanna say that I'm proud that Asden has become more friendly after the incident. Tim/Vikstein — Today at 12:14 Asden, I don't really understand the reasoning behind what you did, I agree with Ulrykk that this was a spring of immaturity, but I feel like these are good learning experiences. I think this is a strange thing to do to begin with, but I have faith you won't do something like this again.

Kodiak Felony Act Discussion

Patrick Barber — 02/05/2022

@Assembly Member

For your consideration, an act to define crimes and their punishments written by @Minister @Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter.

https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/The_Kodiak_Felony_Act_(637%29

The debate is hereby opened.

frenkimaster99 — 02/05/2022

I think that first sentance for first degree murder  should be 25 to 35 Years and if they again Killing then a life sentance.

Akecheta — 02/05/2022

i think that's too harsh. First time they murder someone, their punishment should depend on what degree it was plus fines of up to 5,000 florins. Second time they murder someone, They get fines of up to 10,000 florins and 10 years in prison no matter what degree. 3rd time killing, no fines, but 25+ years in prison depending on what the judge says.

[6:17 AM]

But they can be on parole after 15 years served in prison.

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

Can capital punishment be debated here too?

@Joshua Lopez (Slatium)

Can capital punishment be debated here too?

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

absolutely

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

Great, two birds with one stone (edited)

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

This was always intended to be edited by the Assembly

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

So, if capital punishment was allowed, where should we use it? The most basic would be homicide, but we can go crazy and take it to another level, but im not into that so much

@Akecheta

i think that's too harsh. First time they murder someone, their punishment should depend on what degree it was plus fines of up to 5,000 florins. Second time they murder someone, They get fines of up to 10,000 florins and 10 years in prison no matter what degree. 3rd time killing, no fines, but 25+ years in prison depending on what the judge says.

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

The original sentences area little harsh for the purpose of trying to reduce crime by increasing the stakes if they get caught. for the most part, every crime is a calculated decision between the punishment if a failure and the upside in case of success. I originaly made this with the secondary intent to reduce crime by increasing the downside if convicted of a crime. In the special case of homicide I don't think a "second murder" is something increddibly likely as most homicides are eather tactical or for some special reason like revenge so my hope is that tough sentences will make potential murderers rethink their actions and the general severity of the crime of homicide is much higher than others. If you have other opinions youre welcome to debate them and they will be taken into account.

Bean_Yam — 02/05/2022

We kill if someone is breaking the rules

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Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

So capital punishment?

[1:02 PM]

As for capital punishment, do we want our murderers to stay in prison for their life, or kill them to let them feel how dying is, but just much less painfull than they did it to the person they killed

February 6, 2022

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

I feel like life in prison is more cruel

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/06/2022

Exactly, we can live them to rot in prison or give them the needle, which isn't and close to how they most likely did it

[4:39 AM]

Because a lot of murderers don't expect to escape and don't care if they die, like revenge

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/06/2022

I think it should be noted that more often than not, inmates on death row will cost more annually and can spend equal, to more time in prison than a regular inmate. In fact, death row inmates can cost up to 3x the cost of a regular inmate annually. I think I read that if every death row inmate was made to serve life sentences, then it would save the US government an estimated $3 billion every year. (edited)

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/06/2022

So take this information as you wish, but personally I do not see the inclusion of the death penalty as justice. I see it as a notable drain of resources, which instead could be used to reform prisoners or put towards beneficial causes.

As for the bill, I made note of this before, but the separation between "unsuccessful murder" and "successful murder" does not make sense legally. The law should focus on intent, not success. If I intend to kill someone my sentence should be the same if I successfully did or not. Apart from this I find the bill good!

_________ — 02/06/2022

I agree with Tim on this

ZeOrpheus (Kruitezia)(mina simp) — 02/06/2022

Right, I agree with Tim (edited)

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/06/2022

I agree, attempted murder is the same as normal murder, fortunately they are alive this time around

[5:49 PM]

As for capital punishment, I agree too, it can cost quite much, and i find it more cruel to be in maximum prison forever then dying by a needle (edited)

@Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)

So take this information as you wish, but personally I do not see the inclusion of the death penalty as justice. I see it as a notable drain of resources, which instead could be used to reform prisoners or put towards beneficial causes.   As for the bill, I made note of this before, but the separation between "unsuccessful murder" and "successful murder" does not make sense legally. The law should focus on intent, not success. If I intend to kill someone my sentence should be the same if I successfully did or not. Apart from this I find the bill good!

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

makes sense. we can do something with this

@Joshua Lopez (Slatium)

As for capital punishment, I agree too, it can cost quite much, and i find it more cruel to be in maximum prison forever then dying by a needle (edited)

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

True however those who do the crime have to do the time

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter

makes sense. we can do something with this

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

I made the edits

February 7, 2022

Zoque Fotekh — 02/07/2022

On the subject  of article 3 - assault, I would remove the maximum cap and instead grade on a rate based on severity. Possibly even take into account the long term injuries of the victim? 3 years seems lenient for the higher end of that particular curve.

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/07/2022

This is roughly what the sentence is in most countries whose codes i looked into.

February 20, 2022

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

Other edits anyone wants to make to the bill?

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

?

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/20/2022

Sorry

[11:04 PM]

Was messing around on another screen haha

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

[11:39 PM]

but anyway I want to clear any confusion and get this to vote by friday

March 14, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 03/14/2022

Is there any more debate on this topic? Should we move this to a vote?

Patrick Barber — 03/14/2022

I think for a start, its better than nothing

March 18, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)

EasyPoll

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— 03/18/2022

@Assembly President (edited)

Question

Do you wish to pass the Kodiak Felony Act?

Choices

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14 users voted

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 03/18/2022

@Assembly Member the Kodiak Felony Act is up for vote.

March 21, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — Today at 12:12 PM

@Assembly Member the Kodiak Felony Act has passed