Talk:Resolution to award FM Falkenridge the Guelderlaand Award

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Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 12:17 PM

Tabled by Bernard Glocke, MGA, as a Resolution of the General Assembly. Voting is set for 1 March. The Kodiak Republic Wiki Resolution to award FM Falkenridge the Guelderlaand Award CITATION For conspicuous leadership in preparing the Kodiak Republic to resist conquest, for gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against invading Communard forces, and for the heroic conduct of defensive and offensive operations in and around Mollywood. He mobilized, trained, and led an army which has received n... Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 12:17 PM

@Assembly Member, debate for this resolution is now open. Braughn F. G. Kryos


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— 02/26/2024 12:19 PM

Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 12:19 PM

I would hesitate to say that FM Falkenridge's actions were of such high heroic nature and so far above his assigned duties as to warrant the highest award of the Republic. Liam Harrison [KWP] — 02/26/2024 12:20 PM Although I have no doubts that FM Falkenridge is an excellent commander, I do believe that we should perhaps look further than the top of the food chain. I highly doubt that it was FM Falkenridge himself who captured Butcher Barber. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 12:21 PM

Perhaps a more fitting award would be the Defense Service Medal? Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 12:21 PM

((Nice moniker)) Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers Jr — 02/26/2024 3:48 PM I believe we should be awarding the team who executed the capture of barber, whilst Falkenridge is certainly a hero for having helped plan this, I believe the men and women of the Kodiak Army who executed this mission should be rewarded. Their gallantry and bravery should not be forgotten. Neil O'Madow | Nalatia — 02/26/2024 4:30 PM Yes indeed, couldn't have said it better Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 5:44 PM FM Falkenridge's performance is one that showcases immense skill and coordination to achieve a breakthrough against a tenacious defense by the Communard forces. This award is not an award for single handidly capturing Barber. Rather it is a compilation of meritorious achievements that culminate in Barber's capture which has direct impact to the health of the Republic. FM Falkenridge is the architect in the capture of Barber, and its possible that without him in charge the operation's condition may not have been achieved.

The Defense Service Medal. Based on its current criteria, reads as a retirement award for Senior Leaders within the Military. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 5:46 PM Hero of the Kodiak Republic - favoured target of the political establishment. give this man his medal Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 5:47 PM I believe FM Falkenridge deserves the medal as much as the men he leads in his army. Falkenridge represents his men and is well deserved to bring home this medal to his men who fought hard on the strategies that he implemented to help capture Barber. Let’s move on to a vote. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 5:51 PM

The Defense Service Medal reads the same as every other medal in the resolution. I’m not sure where the idea of it being a retirement award is coming from? Regardless, Falkenridge has only done his duty, albeit successfully. The precedent of granting every successful General the highest meritorious award of the nation is a dangerous one to set. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 5:52 PM Hero of the Kodiak Republic - favoured target of the political establishment. give this man his medal Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 5:55 PM I do believe it doesn’t talk about a retirement award so I agree with you there. I think with the rebellion like it is and how huge Falkenridge’s success means for our side, he is well deserved of this award. I don’t disagree with the President though. The Defense Service Medal doesn’t award only retired members Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 5:57 PM

I believe, if anything, this medal should be awarded, if it is, at the conclusion of the conflict. It would be incredibly embarrassing for this body to award Falkenridge this award for incredible service and tactical prowess only for his next assault to end in a resounding defeat. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 5:57 PM Hero of the Kodiak Republic - favoured target of the political establishment. give this man his medal Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 5:58 PM

Mr. Marwood, if you continue to repeat the same exact statement further, I will ask you to leave the General Assembly. We heard you the first time; further repetitions are both unnecessary and unhelpful. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 5:59 PM If I could physically speak over top of you, I would, but the microphone doesn't pick it up Hero of the Kodiak Republic - favoured target of the political establishment. give this man his medal Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:03 PM

In accordance with Article One, Section 1, I am formally requiring that Mr. Marwood excuse himself from the days proceedings. I strongly suggest that he return to the chamber tomorrow with a desire to appropriately debate the business of the Assembly without resorting to uncivil and contrarian action. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:04 PM The wording of the award criteria leaves much to be desired, hence the retirement award comment. But its a separate topic for another day and different amendment/resolution/bill Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:05 PM Hear hear Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:06 PM

I think the wording of the resolution is quite clear. It is the same wording, time wise, as the very medal you propose issuing. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 6:10 PM ⁱ ʷⁱˡˡ ˢʰᵒᵘᵗ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ᵒᵘᵗˢⁱᵈᵉ ⁱᶠ ⁱ ⁿᵉᵉᵈ ᵗᵒ. ᵍⁱᵛᵉ ᵗʰⁱˢ ᵐᵃⁿ ʰⁱˢ ᵐᵉᵈᵃˡ Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:10 PM As I said. A debate for another time. I'd rather not filibuster an award for a hero of the Republic Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:13 PM

I am not against awarding FM Falkenridge such an award. But I believe that any such award for any commander of an entire theater should wait until after the conclusion of the conflict. Like I said, it would be incredibly embarrassing if the Commune made a strong recovery and pushed the FM back to the original lines or further. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:21 PM Regarding the prestige of the award? I would argue against that. Battlefield reversals are common in war. Now admittedly his capture would be a blow. But if that is the level of risk aversion we have, then we should never present awards because 'what if'. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:23 PM

I’m not saying we should wait forever. Just until the victory you cite is assured. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:25 PM The victory I cite is for Mollywood, which for all intent and purpose is now secured Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:28 PM

And Mollywood alone constitutes a victory worthy of the highest military and civilian award? I think not. Either Falkenridge is being awarded for his astounding victory over the commune, which is not assured yet, or for his victory at Mollywood, which cannot reasonably warrant this award Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 6:29 PM ᵍⁱᵛᵉ ᵗʰⁱˢ ᵐᵃⁿ ʰⁱˢ ᵐᵉᵈᵃˡ﹗ Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:34 PM

I would appreciate any member heading for the lobby to inform Mr Marwood that his theatrics are entertaining, but still disrupt the debate. I am happy to extend his dismissal from this chamber to the full 48 hours. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 6:36 PM walks back to seat I’d rather just move to a vote on the resolution. I believe we all support it anyway. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 6:38 PM I second that motion. Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers Jr — 02/26/2024 6:38 PM I object, Mr President. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 6:39 PM I completely disagree with what happened to Mr. Marwood but frankly that isn’t as important as allowing this award be officially given to Falkenridge. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:43 PM

Noted. But the statement stands. Disruption of the chamber will not be tolerated. Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/26/2024 6:44 PM ᵐʸ ᵛᵒᵗᵉ ʷⁱˡˡ ᵇᵉ ʰᵉᵃʳᵈ﹗ Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 6:47 PM

We do not, but I will not stand in the way of a motion to vote. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 6:50 PM Mr. President, I don’t disagree with what you were saying. Liam Harrison [KWP] — 02/26/2024 8:06 PM I object to the motion, as neither side has made an actual case beside shouting at the others Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 02/26/2024 8:13 PM Speaking of, I approve of awarding Falkenridge his medal as I believe he deserved it. He has helped us break the Commune’s defense and capture Barber. Compared to our previous failure, this is a massive achievement Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 8:14 PM

I still have serious doubts as to why a general who has achieved a single victory in a war full of defeats (over which he presided) should be reviving such a large award. And before the war has even decisively concluded Liam Harrison [KWP] — 02/26/2024 8:20 PM In my opinion, FM Falkenridge is deserving of an award, but awarding him the Guelderlaand award while we're still very much on the back foot, with much of Sjokalade including Crystal City occupied by the commune, seems to be putting the cart in front of the horse, to a certain extent. The team that actually captured the Bloody Barber is far more deserving of the Guelderlaand award, as they had to penetrate into a highly-defended hostile area, capture the target, and extricate him. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 8:32 PM sigh Even though I agree that we may be jumping the gun on awarding such a prestigious award to a military leader with the war still roaring on as we speak, I don’t deny that Falkenridge showed military might and strong courageous leadership in the successful victory and capturing of Mr. barber. I believe he should be rewarded with this award. He has been a military leader for over 8 years and this victory may have turned the tide in a major conflict. That point being the reason I believe he deserves to be awarded with this most prestigious of awards for our military. Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 02/26/2024 8:33 PM Very well then, how about the Army Cross? Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 8:39 PM

I would not be opposed to either the Army Cross, nor the Defense Service Medal. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/26/2024 10:02 PM

Though, in either case, I would prefer the entire unit being awarded a medal rather than just the leader. Arguments have already been made that the capture of Barber and the recapture of the town were not enacted by the FM himself. Anyway, if the decision is made to award FM Falkenridge an award closer to the nature of his actual contributions and fitting the status of the war currently, I will support this resolution. Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 10:08 PM I have compromise option for my NUP colleagues may be keen to thinking about. We continue with this major award for FM Falkenridge but add on another military award of the General Assembly’s choice to honor the Unit that was instrumental to the capture of Barber and the success of the battle. What do you all say? Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 02/26/2024 10:11 PM Yes, I approve this idea as a NUP member Jack Williams (DPPK) — 02/26/2024 10:12 PM Both sides get what they want and we get to go home with a sense of accomplishment. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 10:35 PM Point of order. Much of the compromises being offered here are not within the General Assembly's authority. Only four of the State Decorations are bestowed by Resolution of the GA. The rest are within the service branches and Ministry.

Again we are talking about strategic effects. FM Falkenridge's position of power is why he is nominated for awarding this 3rd class version of the award. SGT Snuffy doesn't have the scope or ability to impact the battlefield that results in this victory. Bernard Glocke [I] — 02/26/2024 10:49 PM Also politics should not dictate the passage of an award. It's either approve/downgrade/denied Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 02/27/2024 6:27 AM

I agree. I am against granting FM Falkenridge the highest award in the country at this time. If, at the conclusion of the war, he still deserves or deserves more this award, I would be happy to support it. Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers Jr — 02/29/2024 1:27 AM I motion to vote Edmund Marwood [NUP] — 02/29/2024 1:27 AM I second the motion Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 02/29/2024 2:33 AM I second this EasyPoll BOT

— 02/29/2024 1:55 PM

Question Does the General Assembly approve of the Resolution to award FM Falkenridge the Guelderlaand Award?

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Final Result 🇦 ▓▓▓▓▓▓░░░░ [10 • 59%] 🇧 ▓▓░░░░░░░░ [3 • 18%] 🇨 ▓▓░░░░░░░░ [4 • 24%] 17 users voted


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— 02/29/2024 1:55 PM

@Assembly Member, voting for this resolution is now open and will remain open for 72 hours. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— Today at 8:35 PM

With 10 ayes, 3 nays, and 4 abstains, the Resolution to award FM Falkenridge the Guelderlaand Award is passed by the General Assembly. This debate will be archived shortly.

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