Talk:Posse Comitatus Act (665)

Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 19/03/2024 08:46

Tabled by Bernard Glocke, MGA, as an independent member's bill. A resolution to legalize, define, and restrict the use of posse comitati. https://kodiak.wiki/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act_(665) Voting is set for 31 March. The Kodiak Republic Wiki Posse Comitatus Act (665) Braughn F. G. Kryos

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— 19/03/2024 08:46

Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 19/03/2024 08:46

@Assembly Members, this bill is now open for debate. R. Henry Welch, III [NUP] — 19/03/2024 10:10 As Edmund Marwood: I note there is no specific carve out for a declaration of martial law. Is there a presumption in the language that the separation would exist only while under civilian control, or is there an intent never to permit the use of military law inside the borders of the republic? Bernard Glocke [I] — 19/03/2024 13:08 Under the Executive Powers Resolution, 645, I feel that the language for Martial Law was already established as precident. The mainstay of the argument being that the Military should not have presence in Law Enforcement outside of Martial Law or through the Resolution of the Assembly outlined in 6.1.1 of this Act However, I do upon rereading find that it does lack in that language in terms of what that would mean. I could do an amendment to the War Powers Act to better establish that. R. Henry Welch, III [NUP] — 19/03/2024 13:11 As Edmund Marwood: Cool. Just checking Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 24/03/2024 14:17

@Assembly Member, please return to this bill. Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 25/03/2024 12:31

I am delaying voting by another ((week)) due to lack of engagement with this bill. R. Henry Welch, III [NUP] — 25/03/2024 12:35 hmm Ecky B. Ryland (KWP) — 26/03/2024 04:31 I don't have any immediate objections Jack Williams (DPPK) — 26/03/2024 04:52 @Bernard Glocke [I] I don’t know if I fully understand this bill. Are we trying to separate military authority from Civil Law Enforcement? Bernard Glocke [I] — 26/03/2024 08:49 This is a codification that the Military is not a Law Enforcement or Domestic Police service. As it stands right now we have the precedent of Martial Law whereby the Chancellor may authorize the military to enforce law and order in declared zones. However what is missing is a provision that prevents the Military from acting as that force in any other scenario without authorization.

As it stands now, if a local commander wanted to roll forces out to deal with a disturbance he would not violate any particular laws. This would lead to precedent where the Military effectively could assume de facto Martial Law at will. It also creates a scenario where the Military is conducting an Operation in Crystal City, obtains information about a possible Commune terror plot in the Darrent, acts against that threat without the police, and drops a bomb on a school.

This bill does allow any information collected by the military to be shared with Police if it has information on Kodiaker Citizens to enable the NKP or SBI or CTS to deal with such measures. John Edwards [KWP] — 26/03/2024 16:13 So it essentially codifies systems to prevent legal coups? And prevent military from acting without oversight? Bernard Glocke [I] — 26/03/2024 19:24 correct. Bernard Glocke [I] — 01/04/2024 01:03 Given the lack of debate, I motion for this item to proceed to a vote. Dr Edmund Cosmo Maltravers — 01/04/2024 01:04 I second. Alexander Paramount (NUP) — 01/04/2024 01:46 I agree as well Braughn F. G. Kryos OP

— 01/04/2024 09:46

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— 01/04/2024 09:48

Question Does the General Assembly approve of the Posse Comitatus Act (665)?

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— 01/04/2024 09:48

@Assembly Member, voting for this bill has begun and will remain open for 72 hours. Jack Williams (DPPK) — Yesterday at 11:52 With 12 ayes, 5 nays, and 2 abstains, the Posse Comitatus Act (665) has been passed by the assembly. This debate will be archived soon. ((Once I figure it out)).