Talk:Kodiak Social Security Act, 644
Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 13/08/2022 @Assembly Member Kodiak Social Security Act (644) A resolution aimed to combat the poverty crisis in Kodiak through a system of safety nets for the most affected demographics.
Authored by Aaron Tonnesen, NUP
Voting has been set for August 26th
https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/Kodiak_Social_Security_Act_(644) The Kodiak Republic Wiki Kodiak Social Security Act (644) A resolution aimed to combat the poverty crisis in Kodiak through a system of safety nets for the most affected demographics. 1.1 - Creates the State Pension Program 1.1.1 - All Kodiak Citizens over the age of 65 will be eligible for Social Security payments of a maximum of a maximum of ₣1,500 monthly to be determined by the last five years of i... Kodiak Social Security Act (644) Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 13/08/2022 Thanks Tobias! Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 13/08/2022 No problem! Glad I could finally get to introduce it! Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 13/08/2022 Haha me too. The polls kinda slowed things down but we adapt! Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 15/08/2022 I would like to motion an early vote Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 15/08/2022 I'll second the motion Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 15/08/2022 Also seconded! Patrick Barber — 15/08/2022 Gosh I haven't even read it yet Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 15/08/2022 @Assembly Member Seeing a second the vote has been moved to August 17th Patrick Barber — 16/08/2022 @Oskar Luchens (NUP) and @Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden A couple of points on the resolution: 1) small nitpick on there being clauses with single subclauses. If it only requires a single addition, surely it can be condensed into the parent clause. 2) Typo in 1.1.1 uses maximum twice. 3) How is the scale of the 'maximum' determined? Is it just that poor people get less money or is there a logical formula here? 4) This act indicates pensions will begin at 65, but doesn't have a mechanism to amend or repeal the current laws making the retirement age 72 5) Are these budgets Quarterly or Annually (daily?) as it isn't mentioned in the bill. Convention is for budgets to be listed as Quarterly, but it isn't clear here. 6) I don't think we should host the department overseas as in 2.3.1 7) Why is the fraud department gazetted only to investigate work-for welfare and not any of the other social services such as housing, dependents, pensions, or unemployment? I motion the vote be postponed until these points may be properly addressed Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 16/08/2022 I'll second the motion, so that the new points raised can be fairly responded to.
My interpretation of point 5 would be that pensions are monthly, and unemployment fortnightly (I ask the author to please correct me if I've misinterpreted intentions). Though certainly they could be explicitly stated in a clause - especially if additional detail such as point 3 is elaborated on further, in favour of being explicit rather than implicit.
Actually now that you mention point 7, I just noticed - is 50M Florins enough to fund a fraud department? Patrick Barber — 16/08/2022 I actually meant the budgets for the departments - but also a good point Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 16/08/2022 Ah I see! Similarly best to be explicit also good spot. Patrick Barber — 17/08/2022 @Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 17/08/2022 I will review shortly Patrick Barber — 18/08/2022 @Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 18/08/2022 The wiki is complete. Now to answer a few of those questions. The budget is in fact quarterly and is stated clearly on the legislation now. All typos and independent clauses have been fixed as well. The bill now amends the Retirement Act as needed. I apologize for the delay. Patrick Barber — 18/08/2022 That's ok. At least you got around to fixing it Patrick Barber — 18/08/2022 Can I just confirm the budget on this is 12.2 billion florins per annum? Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 18/08/2022 OOC: There might be a typo. Its meant to reflect the low end of the State Pension plan in Possible Policies under Social Services. Are those values in annual or quarterly amounts? Patrick Barber — 18/08/2022 quarterly pensions are expensive Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 18/08/2022 The 500M for unemployment has now been broken up into quarters (125M) Patrick Barber — 18/08/2022 I am in favour of this bill. Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 20/08/2022 I would like to motion a vote for Monday, August 22 (EST) whereas all edits have been made and no further debate is ongoing. heimdallr (PPK) — 20/08/2022 I think the vote has concluded Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 20/08/2022 I second the motion to escalate to a vote. Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 20/08/2022 Votes are conducted with a poll bot. You’ll see in the Amended Water Act channel later that there will be an official box to mark your vote. heimdallr (PPK) — 20/08/2022 I only say because it said the vote was to be conducted on the 17th Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 20/08/2022 Correct. However the chancellor and another member blocked the vote with motions to postpone for debate heimdallr (PPK) — 20/08/2022 Oh ok Well in that case I am also in favor of having the vote on the 22 Patrick Barber — 20/08/2022 Whoops wrong channel Reginald Karbunckle(Kusaca)(NUP) — 20/08/2022 Lol, that's what I guessed Patrick Barber — 20/08/2022 Thought this was security bill I also accept the motion to vote. I urge all members to vote for this bill Reginald Karbunckle(Kusaca)(NUP) — 20/08/2022 😂 heimdallr (PPK) — 20/08/2022 Lmao 😂 Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 20/08/2022 Lol. I can only imagine what you said Patrick Barber — 20/08/2022 the assembly is meant for discussion on the bill. The comment was removed because it was made in error. Further discussion on my early morning mis-readings can be held in 🔆｜lobby I support the motion to begin the vote on this bill, I urge members to vote for this bill heimdallr (PPK) — 20/08/2022 I second the motion Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 25/08/2022 Hello @Assembly President, I wish to motion a vote (when you get a chance, of course) Patrick Barber — 25/08/2022 Just finalising some administrative and personnel issues and will get to this in approx 2 hours Aaron Tonnesen - New Asden — 25/08/2022 No rush EasyPoll BOT
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