Talk:Hiring Subsidies and SME Loans Act 651

Hiring Subsidies and SME Loans Act of 651 Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/03/2023 9:38 AM

Tabled by Charlotte Groves, MGA, KWP, Chancellor, as a Government sponsored bill. Hiring Subsidies and SME Loans Act of 651 A resolution to encourage the expansion of businesses in order to increase hiring practices and improve upon the nations economic troubles. https://kodiak.wiki/wiki/Hiring_Subsidies_and_SME_Loans_Act_651 Proposed by Charlotte Groves, MGA, KWP, Chancellor. Voting is presently set for 17 March 2023 The Kodiak Republic Wiki Hiring Subsidies and SME Loans Act 651 Recognising that the Kodiak Republic's poor economic conditions do not encourage expansion and hiring, this act targets improving existing structures to provide loans to SMEs that make up 99% of businesses. This act further intends to introduce, as soon as possible, a hiring subsidy to assist and encourage hiring in the short-term while the nati... Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/03/2023 9:39 AM

@Assembly Member discussion is now opened. Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/03/2023 3:27 PM I voice my support for this bill. It is of extreme economic importance to support employment and businesses with subsidies, grants, and loans. Braughn F. G. Kryos — 03/03/2023 3:37 PM Although I appreciate the import of this bill, the lack of proposed support for agricultural small businesses is concerning. The proposed threshold for small businesses would exclude most of non-corporate farms, especially those raising livestock and food crops. I would like to see specific consideration made for agricultural small and medium businesses. Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/03/2023 3:41 PM Agricultural subsidies are already in place under the Regional Development Act, 630. I think the purpose of this bill is to expand support for general businesses and small family farms would technically be included under micro-enterprises. I think farms would be treated under the RD Act but it should probably be clarified in the bill. Braughn F. G. Kryos — 03/03/2023 3:51 PM Consider that part of this bill covers hiring subsidies and the Regional Development Act, 630 only provides subsidies for seasonal work, rather than employees such as land managers, full-time workers, and veterinarians who may be employed on a regular basis, but not strictly as seasonal employees. Considering the importance of agriculture to this and every economy, some consideration should be made for these high business costs for the hiring of such employees. Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 5:57 PM The threshold amount for smaller businesses should be lower than 1,000,000 3.6 - Businesses may not release an employee from employment and hire for the same position, that is, the hiring subsidy must go towards a new position and new hire. Why are we limiting business hiring process with this ? Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:48 PM It’s to prevent a loophole where businesses can fire an existing employee and then hire them again and apply for the “new hire” subsidy. The goal of the new hire subsidy is to promote employment and new hires. Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 6:48 PM I believe we need a better clause for this What if that employee truly is lacking Where are we protecting the business? Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:49 PM Then they can fire them There’s nothing preventing them from doing so The clause means that they can’t hire the same person immediately after they fire them Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 6:50 PM Him the wordage wasn’t to clear on that Actually it isn’t Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:50 PM Yea the wording is a bit confusing Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 6:51 PM From the way it reads it seems as if a business fires someone then they can’t rehire for that position at all That could have legal ramifications if ever brought up in court I believe it needs to be written more clearly Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:51 PM Yes it should be amended to be more clear Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:52 PM I think it’s a reasonable for a small business to make the equivalent of $100,000 a year Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 6:53 PM It reads a million tho 🤔 Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:53 PM Florins 1 florin is equivalent to 10 cents Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/04/2023 6:55 PM Interesting didn’t know that actually Thank you Then sheesh I’m all good with it. Erich Crysler -- Alsozar [UKN] — 03/04/2023 6:55 PM Yea it’s a pinned message in 🐦｜tweeter Charlotte Groves (Juliette) — 03/05/2023 3:48 AM Good comment Pandor! Thank you, yes the intention is what Erich said but happy to reword this to make it clear. I'll do so. Charlotte Groves (Juliette) — 03/05/2023 3:53 AM We will be looking at what Kodiak is currently doing for specific sector or industry subsidies in a later amendment, for now we feel it best to group our policy changes according to theme. For now this one specifically focuses on encouraging hiring for micro, small, to medium businesses which tends to make up approx 98-99% of any nations businesses. Currently Kodiak's unemployment levels are at a severe high (aprox 30% last I was informed).

That said I am open to any and all comments (perhaps in the lobby or else in the party room if you want a more confidential chat) about agriculture. Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/05/2023 3:57 AM I believe that if we want to tackle unemployment levels we should establish programs that specifically train for jobs the nation seeks to fill. State training is something I feel we should consider in order to help bridge the gaps. Providing housing and food during these trainings could also incentivize people to partake and further their success. Charlotte Groves (Juliette) — 03/05/2023 4:00 AM That would certainly be helpful and you can see similar thinking along the lines in the Reconstruction Incentive. There's a lot of other initiatives that will likely spring up in the future. Happy to discuss your thoughts on that, maybe we can discuss similar topics outside this present discussion so we don't diverge from the topic at hand? I'm always open to my fellow members of the GA's thoughts. Amun Pandor [FED] — 03/05/2023 4:02 AM Yes ofc I’ll be happy to discuss in 🔆｜lobby if you have time Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/07/2023 9:09 AM

any updates or other discussion? Charlotte Groves (Juliette) — 03/07/2023 9:29 AM The aforementioned confusion with clause 3.6 has been reworded - apologies I should have been clear when it happened. (rather mentioned it xD) The Public Service

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— 03/07/2023 8:53 PM

Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/08/2023 9:15 AM

Thank you, Madam Chancellor. Any other issues from members? Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/10/2023 2:54 PM

If there is no further discussion in 24 hours, the vote will move forward Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/11/2023 2:55 PM

Hearing no other discussion, voting will opened momentarily. No further discussion will be permitted, voting is open for 72 hours. EasyPoll BOT

— 03/11/2023 2:57 PM

Question Do you approve of the Hiring Subsidies and SME Loans Act?

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— 03/11/2023 2:57 PM

@Assembly Member Klaus Mikaelson OP

— 03/14/2023 4:51 PM

With 15 votes in favor, 3 against and 4 abstentions, this proposal is declared passed, and shall be archived in 24 hours.