Talk:Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654

Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654 Jonn Stevens (DPPK) OP

— 08/16/2023 10:07 PM

Tabled by von Zeppelin, MGA, CKA, as an independent member's bill. In order to save the Republic from default, the following changes are being made in the laws concerning the Ministry of Defence and Immigration. Voting is currently set for the 31st of August https://kodiak.wiki/wiki/Defense_and_Immigration_Expenditures_Act,_654 The Kodiak Republic Wiki Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654 In order to save the Republic from default, the following changes are being made in the laws concerning the Ministry of Defence and Immigration. ACTIONED on ## month ####, ## Aye, ## Nay, ## Abstain.

Jonn Stevens (DPPK) OP

— 08/16/2023 10:07 PM

@Assembly Member debate is now open for the Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654

Geo — 08/17/2023 8:37 AM The decrease seems too extreme The act that the funding is being cut off from is necessary to fill in the labour and skill gap in the economy of the republic

We can instead make a proposal to instead of single handed subsidising the worker inflow to have a Public-Private Partnership model where in the government shares half the burden and rest is shared by the Company or business. And we can simply cut down on the retraining costs of people under section 3.1.1 by just not accepting and retraining the people from nations with qualification systems not upto the standard.

This can lower the costs without the negative effects of direct and substantial cut.

We can also target this policy to specific nations which have a surplus or a cheaper labour force in areas we require the workers in, this will be cheaper than keeping it open to all as a direct line of communication for this purpose can be set up with the government of the other nation which together with their private contractors can provide us with the steady flow of workers that we require.

Essentially we shift the cost of operations elsewhere from us without compromising on the operations themselves that much.

Additionally we can print money steadily and slowly to reduce real debt burden on the loans to the government that is denominated in our domestic currency (in simple terms, use inflation to reduce the debt burden in real terms to a sustainable level).

Anthony Dvorak — 08/17/2023 11:13 AM I agree with Geo's points, while the Kodakian worker should always be placed first, we cannot afford ourselves a labor shortage if we want to keep our economy internationally competitive. Geo's suggestion seems to address both of these concerns, as businesses will be incentiviesd to always seek domestic workers first.

von Zeppelin [CKA] — 08/19/2023 11:56 PM I'm a little late, but I'm ready to start a discussion. To begin with, I note that unemployment is exactly 15%, while we need qualified workers. The most rational thing would be to train these 15%, winning both on the reduction of deductions to the unemployed, and on taxes from working people.

If we call people from abroad, we only aggravate the situation with unemployment, because nothing guarantees that labor migrants with cfalification will not go anywhere, and we will not be left with nothing.

Therefore, in order to finance the restructuring of the economy and simultaneously repay the state debt, it is necessary to reduce the financing of this bill.

W Magnus Ward (NUP) — 08/20/2023 5:26 AM I want to note that when passed, the Skilled Worker Scheme, under Chancellor John Edwards, was in fact only meant to continue for 5 years, and has now been active for 10. Not to mention the massive increases in Primary and Secondary education funding over the last 5 years, I think there is at least some reason to believe the government of the era has fulfilled its promises and we have no reason to continue the scheme at this level in the face of our budgetary crisis

W Magnus Ward (NUP) — 08/21/2023 8:00 PM Did any other members want to comment on the proposal?

Masaia Kånoă | Danslandia (UKN) — 08/21/2023 8:23 PM Nope

Charlotte Groves (Juliette)[KWP] — 08/21/2023 10:15 PM I agree that the reduction is quite extreme, however I am mindful of our current economic and financial issues still require our full attention and priority.

So in light of this, I do believe the decrease is necessary and will save billions. When we recover and when the economy demands it we can revisit this.

At the very least the scheme will continue even with lesser funding, to ensure we have a pipeline of skilled workers. Which I am satisfied with as our economy will always need skilled workers.

Vladimir Khlebnikov — 08/21/2023 10:50 PM Too long a text for me to read 💀

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Charlotte Groves (Juliette)[KWP] — 08/24/2023 9:52 PM Doesn't seem like there's any more discussion to be had, I motion we move this to a vote!

W Magnus Ward (NUP) — 08/24/2023 9:53 PM I second the motion

Jonn Stevens (DPPK) OP

— 08/24/2023 9:54 PM

Ok then if there is no debate a vote will commence in 24 hours EasyPoll BOT

— 08/25/2023 9:59 PM

Question Do you Approve of the Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654

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— 08/25/2023 10:00 PM

@Assembly Member voting is now open for the Defense and Immigration Expenditures Act, 654 Jonn Stevens (DPPK) OP

— 08/27/2023 4:45 PM

@Assembly Member only 24 hours left make sure to vote! Jonn Stevens (DPPK) OP

— 08/29/2023 8:01 PM

@Assembly Member with a margin of 9 for 4 against and 4 abstaining this proposal is declared passed