Talk:The Kodiak Felony Act, 637

Patrick Barber — 02/05/2022

@Assembly Member

For your consideration, an act to define crimes and their punishments written by @Minister @Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter.

https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/The_Kodiak_Felony_Act_(637%29

The debate is hereby opened.

frenkimaster99 — 02/05/2022

I think that first sentance for first degree murder  should be 25 to 35 Years and if they again Killing then a life sentance.

Akecheta — 02/05/2022

i think that's too harsh. First time they murder someone, their punishment should depend on what degree it was plus fines of up to 5,000 florins. Second time they murder someone, They get fines of up to 10,000 florins and 10 years in prison no matter what degree. 3rd time killing, no fines, but 25+ years in prison depending on what the judge says.

[6:17 AM]

But they can be on parole after 15 years served in prison.

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

Can capital punishment be debated here too?

@Joshua Lopez (Slatium)

Can capital punishment be debated here too?

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

absolutely

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

Great, two birds with one stone (edited)

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

This was always intended to be edited by the Assembly

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

So, if capital punishment was allowed, where should we use it? The most basic would be homicide, but we can go crazy and take it to another level, but im not into that so much

@Akecheta

i think that's too harsh. First time they murder someone, their punishment should depend on what degree it was plus fines of up to 5,000 florins. Second time they murder someone, They get fines of up to 10,000 florins and 10 years in prison no matter what degree. 3rd time killing, no fines, but 25+ years in prison depending on what the judge says.

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/05/2022

The original sentences area little harsh for the purpose of trying to reduce crime by increasing the stakes if they get caught. for the most part, every crime is a calculated decision between the punishment if a failure and the upside in case of success. I originaly made this with the secondary intent to reduce crime by increasing the downside if convicted of a crime. In the special case of homicide I don't think a "second murder" is something increddibly likely as most homicides are eather tactical or for some special reason like revenge so my hope is that tough sentences will make potential murderers rethink their actions and the general severity of the crime of homicide is much higher than others. If you have other opinions youre welcome to debate them and they will be taken into account.

Bean_Yam — 02/05/2022

We kill if someone is breaking the rules

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Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/05/2022

So capital punishment?

[1:02 PM]

As for capital punishment, do we want our murderers to stay in prison for their life, or kill them to let them feel how dying is, but just much less painfull than they did it to the person they killed

February 6, 2022

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

I feel like life in prison is more cruel

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/06/2022

Exactly, we can live them to rot in prison or give them the needle, which isn't and close to how they most likely did it

[4:39 AM]

Because a lot of murderers don't expect to escape and don't care if they die, like revenge

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/06/2022

I think it should be noted that more often than not, inmates on death row will cost more annually and can spend equal, to more time in prison than a regular inmate. In fact, death row inmates can cost up to 3x the cost of a regular inmate annually. I think I read that if every death row inmate was made to serve life sentences, then it would save the US government an estimated $3 billion every year. (edited)

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/06/2022

So take this information as you wish, but personally I do not see the inclusion of the death penalty as justice. I see it as a notable drain of resources, which instead could be used to reform prisoners or put towards beneficial causes.

As for the bill, I made note of this before, but the separation between "unsuccessful murder" and "successful murder" does not make sense legally. The law should focus on intent, not success. If I intend to kill someone my sentence should be the same if I successfully did or not. Apart from this I find the bill good!

_________ — 02/06/2022

I agree with Tim on this

ZeOrpheus (Kruitezia)(mina simp) — 02/06/2022

Right, I agree with Tim (edited)

Joshua Lopez (Slatium) — 02/06/2022

I agree, attempted murder is the same as normal murder, fortunately they are alive this time around

[5:49 PM]

As for capital punishment, I agree too, it can cost quite much, and i find it more cruel to be in maximum prison forever then dying by a needle (edited)

@Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)

So take this information as you wish, but personally I do not see the inclusion of the death penalty as justice. I see it as a notable drain of resources, which instead could be used to reform prisoners or put towards beneficial causes. As for the bill, I made note of this before, but the separation between "unsuccessful murder" and "successful murder" does not make sense legally. The law should focus on intent, not success. If I intend to kill someone my sentence should be the same if I successfully did or not. Apart from this I find the bill good!

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

makes sense. we can do something with this

@Joshua Lopez (Slatium)

As for capital punishment, I agree too, it can cost quite much, and i find it more cruel to be in maximum prison forever then dying by a needle (edited)

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

True however those who do the crime have to do the time

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter

makes sense. we can do something with this

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/06/2022

I made the edits

February 7, 2022

Zoque Fotekh — 02/07/2022

On the subject  of article 3 - assault, I would remove the maximum cap and instead grade on a rate based on severity. Possibly even take into account the long term injuries of the victim? 3 years seems lenient for the higher end of that particular curve.

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/07/2022

This is roughly what the sentence is in most countries whose codes i looked into.

February 20, 2022

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

Other edits anyone wants to make to the bill?

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

?

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 02/20/2022

Sorry

[11:04 PM]

Was messing around on another screen haha

Grand Kaiser Hoffe Von Richter — 02/20/2022

[11:39 PM]

but anyway I want to clear any confusion and get this to vote by friday

March 14, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 03/14/2022

Is there any more debate on this topic? Should we move this to a vote?

Patrick Barber — 03/14/2022

I think for a start, its better than nothing

March 18, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein)

EasyPoll

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— 03/18/2022

@Assembly President (edited)

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Do you wish to pass the Kodiak Felony Act?

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14 users voted

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — 03/18/2022

@Assembly Member the Kodiak Felony Act is up for vote.

March 21, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — Today at 12:12 PM

@Assembly Member the Kodiak Felony Act has passed