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The Kodiak Public Service — 07/03/2022 @Assembly Member The National Defence Act, 643 An act to expand the capabilities of the armed forces of the republic. Amends and merges the Defense Act (Inter) and National Defense Reserve Act (637). Provides authority for funding of projects for FY643 - FY646 Proposed by Deputy Chancellor @Oskar Luchens (NUP) as Minister for Defence. Expected final voting to take place on 14 July unless otherwise changed by action of the Assembly. https://kodiak.fandom.com/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act,_643

Aaron Tzardovich of Princeberg — 07/03/2022 Does this have to do anything with The Great North?

Patrick Barber — 07/03/2022 As Chancellor, i support this bill for first, fulfilling my election promise to increase defence funding; second, for the increase protection funding for our defence forces will provide; third, for the increase in accessible training and jobs funded by the state; and fourth, for the simplification of our two existing codes within the Ministry of Defence into one more streamlined act.

@Aaron Tzardovich of Princeberg Does this have to do anything with The Great North?

Patrick Barber — 07/03/2022 I think there is a significant level of urgency to ensure we maintain our territorial integrity within the region of Darrent from the illegal claims of Kingdom the Great North, and this is one major step, yes.

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Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/03/2022 This act will also help in combatting the likely reemergence of the Kodiak militia following the disappearance of Mobius Weebus. Of course, it is unconfirmed whether the disappearance is the result of Kodiak militia activity, but it is always good to be prepared. I support this act.

Hester Sirocco-Loren (Juliette) — 07/03/2022 I am most pleased about the expansion of construction that is spread nationally throughout Kodiak, that will undoubtedly also help with jobs, and national expertise. I look forward to future details from the Minister as well, naturally! I'll review this again later (just skimmed for now) but I don't see anything that leaps out at me that I need to comment on. (edited) July 4, 2022

Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 07/04/2022 I am prepared to answer questions or provide additional information where needed. July 5, 2022

John Edwards [KWP] — 07/05/2022 You previously raised in the lobby a proposal to build a shipworks to manufacture coast guard vessels. Is that allocation included in this?

Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 07/05/2022 Correct. The navy projects includes provisions to improve spillways and dry docks of several navy yards. These will be of use for the future for ship construction and repair yards for both the navy and coast guard. In the short term we will continue to require procurement of foreign built ships to meet the needs of the fleet July 6, 2022

Visdvk — 07/06/2022 This is an excellent bill, and I believe that it should pass. July 12, 2022

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 This may be stupid, but what is the current state of our MBTs and other armored units. [2:01 AM] In the long run, Is it a better idea to work on developing a new MBT, APC, etc. instead of retrofitting old ones? (edited)

@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) This may be stupid, but what is the current state of our MBTs and other armored units.

Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/12/2022 I believe you can look at the report on the status of our defense forces on the wiki. [2:02 AM] Can't find the link right now.

Aaron Tzardovich of Princeberg — 07/12/2022 I believe this is the current basing and state of the military

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Ok it says latest equipment

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@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) But it seems like we don't have enough of them

Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/12/2022 It is included in the bill that more will be bought over a period of multiple years.

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Oh? Where does it say that.

Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Article 2.1

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 "2.1.3 - Multiyear procurement authority for Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) Model '20 Moderniziation package " - This? [2:07 AM] Because that to me just seems like a modernization package. [2:07 AM] Not actually procuring more units.

@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) Not actually procuring more units.

Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Oh you're right.

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 So I guess a question I bring to the table is... Is it maybe worth it to amend the bill to include a procurement of a modest amount of new armored units, whatever that may be?

@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) Not actually procuring more units.

Símôn Kalimeno [Myguystan] (NUP) — 07/12/2022 However I believe the extra military budget will be delegated as seen fit after it is appropriately distributed to the programs in the bill. [2:09 AM] So the extra equipment will be acquired, just on an individual basis as army logistics staff see fit and not necessarily part of the bill.

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) So I guess a question I bring to the table is... Is it maybe worth it to amend the bill to include a procurement of a modest amount of new armored units, whatever that may be?

Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Hmm, Ok. I'm always a little weary of pork barrel legislation, but this seems to be a good fit for it. [2:10 AM] Either way, I believe the bill should be passed.

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@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) So I guess a question I bring to the table is... Is it maybe worth it to amend the bill to include a procurement of a modest amount of new armored units, whatever that may be?

Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 07/12/2022 Appreciate the feed back. To address the items earlier I'll try to answer the questions you posed.

Current state of the MBTs is a lack of manning and equipping of the current force. Most of our equipment is in the Tier 3 category (Tier 1 is highest) Basically we are two generations of equipment behind the most advanced items. Due to a lack of manning and issues with maintenance in the past, Tier 3 is probably the best we can hope to keep running from the cost of equipment maintaining.

@Jaxon L. NFPA (NUP) So I guess a question I bring to the table is... Is it maybe worth it to amend the bill to include a procurement of a modest amount of new armored units, whatever that may be?

Oskar Luchens (NUP) — 07/12/2022 When I wrote the bill, the intent was to try and get the whole force to an achievable level. The cost of modern tanks or even the next gen above would be much more expensive and would only improve the battalions we outfit. Leaving critical gaps in the rest of the force. This would also necessitate a change in training courses for new maintenance practices and procedures for those vehicles. Our maintainers would no longer all be on the same skill range. The strategy with this bill is to take the short term improvement of all units over the next three years and then we can begin the process of choosing a new MBT or APC model. [4:52 AM] Instead, we chose to go for the modern Infantry rifle and support weapons which will effect more soldiers in the near term and be less expensive compared to an armored vehicle. Similarly our artillery systems will be taking modernization in order to meet possible demands of the modern battlefield and keep us lethal in a Fires capacity. [4:53 AM] To offset the tank equipment we did include a provision for modern Attack Helicopter models which can be a massive force multiplier for our armored forces to offset any possible ground differential. But this will also take time to train new pilots and retrain existing pilots. [4:54 AM] However, if there is enough concern from the assembly we can relook priorities to better shape the ground forces. (edited)

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Eh, it's Searls... — 07/14/2022 Shouldn't this be going to vote?

Gustave Bernier - KWP — 07/14/2022 It should soon enough

Patrick Barber — 07/14/2022 The President has been pretty busy IRL lately - i will have the Public Service begin the process

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The Kodiak Public Service — 07/14/2022 @Assembly Member The National Defence Act, 643 is now up to vote. Voting will be available for 72 hours. No debate is permitted while the vote occurs. July 19, 2022

Tobias Virstürm (Vikstein) — Yesterday at 11:08 PM @Assembly Member the National Defence Act has passed. I will be archiving and deleting the channel in 24 hours.